On Friday, Papa John’s founder John Schnatter used a conversation with a radio host to say an ad agency told him to use the “N-word” during a media training session, reports AdWeek.

He doubled down on claims that the pizza chain’s now former ad agency Laundry Service had “pressured” him into the conversation, which occurred during a call to help avoid self-created PR problems like the one that stemmed from Schnatter’s November 2017 comments criticizing NFL players who knelt during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial inequality.

“Believe it or not, Terry, the agency was promoting that vocabulary. … they pushed me, and it upset me.”
Papa John’s founder John Schnatter, discussing former AOR Laundry Service

Schnatter made his first public comments since the incident on the call with Terry Meiners of NewsRadio 840 WHAS. Schnatter described himself as “distraught” and said, “We don’t condone racism in anyway,” adding, “regardless of the context, you just can’t use that kind of vocabulary.”

He then implied his words may have been “misconstrued” before stating that the agency was responsible for starting the offending conversation.

“Believe it or not, Terry, the agency was promoting that vocabulary,” he said, referring to Laundry Service. “I made it real clear: Listen, we’re not gonna go there. We’re not gonna talk about this. But they pushed me, and it upset me.”

“I said, ‘Listen, other people have used that word. But I don’t and will not use that word, and people at Papa John’s won’t use that,’” Schnatter said before asserting that unnamed Laundry Service staff members “actually wanted to get into that vocabulary” and adding, “I said absolutely not.”

While Schnatter acknowledged his own responsibility, he also said the part of the conversation in which he told those present that he would never use the N-word due to his upbringing had not been reported in the Forbes story.

“Shame on me for even bringing it up,” he said.

Meiners repeatedly asked whether Schnatter believed he had been “duped” by the agency or others running the training session. “I don’t think they were near[ly] as sensitive to this as I was,” he said, implying that someone at the agency had leaked news of the call to Forbes due to dissatisfaction with the company.

When asked whether Laundry Service had “nefarious” intentions, Schnatter said, “Let’s put it this way—they’re no longer our agency of record.” He also said Papa John’s had fired Laundry Service as its media agency of record before the call in May. (They retained the creative portion of the business.)

Later in the conversation, Schnatter said, “It wasn’t what I said that caused the problem; it was the tone in which I said it.”

A Laundry Service spokesperson declined to comment for this story. A Papa John’s representative did not elaborate beyond the statement released this morning confirming that Schnatter is no longer spokesperson and won’t use the offices anymore.

The day before news of the controversy broke, Laundry Service acknowledged it had parted ways with founder and CEO Jason Stein in addition to a round of layoffs that, by one estimate, affected 60 or more employees.

While some have tied the layoffs to Laundry Service parent company Wasserman’s reported decision to resign the business in the wake of the call, sources told Adweek it stemmed from “client attrition” on multiple accounts.

Stein later announced the launch of his new venture, Stein’s, on Instagram and Twitter.

Since the Papa John’s news broke last week, multiple parties have ended their relationships with the company, including several Major League Baseball teams and colleges. On Friday, the University of Louisville announced it would drop the Papa John’s name from its Cardinal Stadium.

Schnatter remains on the board of the company he founded in 1984. “Papa John’s is not an individual,” said current CEO Steve Richie in a statement issued Friday, when he confirmed the chain would be conducting an audit regarding its diversity and inclusion policies and sending top executives out to hold “listening sessions” with employees.



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